Anti-derailing split - Missing levels 1-19

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Post by Padanfain »

If it was posted somewhere else and I missed it, sorry...

In the live WoW version with all addons disabled a manual who of levels 1-19 result 0. A who of my census toon results 0. Looks like Bliz has limited results to levels 20 to max. I tried a variety of /who runs on a couple different computers, on 5 different realms connected and single and with no addons just for kicks, same results.

Edit: Looking back through saved results the last three entries in timesplus for a realm have been &0&0&0 unless a level 20 toon was seen since Nov 6, 2013.

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Post by Balgair »

How odd, I'm getting results, so it's not universal! Just tried it, /who 1-19 on EU-Turalyon (low-pop realm I had a census alt on so quick and easy), and it found 4 characters, despite this being 1.30am my time.

Hmm, US-Draenor on the other hand, turns up no results from /who 1-19, and I was on a lvl 19 character at the time... whatever's going on here only applies to US realms, it seems.

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Post by Padanfain »

Interesting, maybe more going on than meets the eye as EU and NA realms are affected for me. Just looked back through some files from this month and saw these among others...

BTW, the EU realms are censused from a different computer than the NA.

["EU-Ulduar"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&20:0:00"] = "25&40&24&32&19&24&22&17&19&28&23&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-The Sha'tar"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&20:44:00"] = "31&28&19&24&14&16&26&15&24&13&19&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Ner'zhul"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&19:0:00"] = "9&6&6&10&4&4&9&2&5&3&4&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Lightning's Blade"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&20:40:00"] = "1&2&1&0&1&0&4&3&4&1&0&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Sporeggar"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&20:48:00"] = "3&11&1&3&8&2&5&2&5&4&1&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Chromaggus"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&20:14:00"] = "2&1&5&0&5&2&7&0&6&4&1&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Rashgarroth"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&19:17:00"] = "9&5&6&4&5&10&6&9&14&8&6&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Ghostlands"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&22:27:00"] = "40&37&21&31&24&31&37&27&28&30&27&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Das Syndikat"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&19:52:00"] = "20&13&6&6&4&6&8&6&8&13&4&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Uldum"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&18:35:00"] = "4&11&5&6&8&5&7&5&7&5&5&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Shen'dralar"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&18:35:00"] = "5&12&6&5&3&4&5&5&3&6&5&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Arathor"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&22:5:00"] = "57&81&51&52&34&48&43&45&75&43&43&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Daggerspine"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&20:14:00"] = "5&7&5&4&3&1&4&3&6&6&5&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Vashj"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&20:28:00"] = "1&1&2&0&5&0&7&1&4&1&2&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Alexstrasza"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&19:28:00"] = "47&55&41&37&26&48&39&36&34&26&17&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Nordrassil"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&22:41:00"] = "25&25&21&11&13&21&20&20&19&26&23&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Mal'Ganis"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&20:6:00"] = "70&67&38&55&35&41&43&37&52&39&29&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Xavius"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&21:3:00"] = "11&9&4&3&4&4&5&13&5&4&3&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Laughing Skull"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&20:14:00"] = "6&8&10&7&5&5&3&2&5&3&4&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Arak-arahm"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&19:17:00"] = "3&8&2&4&5&3&6&4&5&5&2&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Haomarush"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&20:28:00"] = "6&4&5&2&1&2&1&1&4&1&1&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Taerar"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&20:6:00"] = "5&7&2&2&5&3&5&6&5&5&2&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Zul'jin"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&18:35:00"] = "12&13&3&5&5&3&4&3&9&4&5&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Karazhan"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&20:40:00"] = "4&6&4&1&1&1&2&2&6&7&4&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Skullcrusher"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&21:3:00"] = "2&2&2&3&1&3&1&2&2&2&1&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Ahn'Qiraj"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-12&20:14:00"] = "10&10&4&7&8&2&9&4&7&8&5&0&0&0",
},
},



["TimesPlus"] = {
["Silver Hand"] = {
["Horde"] = {
["2014-07-01&14:28:00"] = "13&25&15&18&10&21&11&6&13&15&11&0&0&0",
},
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-01&14:34:00"] = "24&47&24&31&18&16&27&10&32&10&18&0&0&0",
},
},
["Thorium Brotherhood"] = {
["Horde"] = {
["2014-07-01&14:28:00"] = "9&20&7&19&4&17&12&12&9&13&4&0&0&0",
},
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-01&14:34:00"] = "8&29&10&14&5&16&10&12&16&7&10&0&0&0",
},
},
["Gnomeregan"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-01&14:50:00"] = "37&33&27&25&21&27&25&27&26&29&15&0&0&0",
},
},
["Arathor"] = {
["Horde"] = {
["2014-07-01&15:4:00"] = "12&25&19&10&10&16&12&7&24&19&11&0&0&0",
},
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-01&15:12:00"] = "30&45&30&34&12&27&38&15&40&28&16&0&0&0",
},
},
["Borean Tundra"] = {
["Horde"] = {
["2014-07-01&14:55:00"] = "10&27&12&11&11&10&16&13&9&20&6&0&0&0",
},
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-01&15:0:00"] = "26&48&18&18&17&21&27&21&31&28&25&0&0&0",
},
},
["Moonrunner"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-01&14:50:00"] = "19&40&19&23&22&17&22&30&26&21&19&0&0&0",
},
},
["Winterhoof"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-01&14:43:00"] = "18&27&22&22&13&24&16&12&17&19&18&0&0&0",
},
},
["Shadowsong"] = {
["Horde"] = {
["2014-07-01&14:55:00"] = "6&28&9&11&7&16&7&15&20&10&9&0&0&0",
},
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-01&15:0:00"] = "21&46&20&22&16&37&31&21&26&24&22&0&0&0",
},
},
["Farstriders"] = {
["Horde"] = {
["2014-07-01&14:28:00"] = "5&25&8&10&8&15&7&8&7&15&6&0&0&0",
},
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-01&14:34:00"] = "23&31&12&17&12&19&12&9&31&21&10&0&0&0",
},
},
["Scarlet Crusade"] = {
["Horde"] = {
["2014-07-01&15:18:00"] = "13&22&13&13&8&19&15&17&15&18&14&0&0&0",
},
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-01&15:26:00"] = "27&28&25&21&18&14&24&14&33&14&19&0&0&0",
},
},
["Kilrogg"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-01&14:43:00"] = "19&26&15&25&14&32&16&11&20&27&22&0&0&0",
},
},
["Feathermoon"] = {
["Horde"] = {
["2014-07-01&15:18:00"] = "23&25&17&19&16&17&18&15&19&16&11&0&0&0",
},
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-01&15:26:00"] = "28&59&29&18&23&30&37&14&29&26&16&0&0&0",
},
},
["Drenden"] = {
["Horde"] = {
["2014-07-01&15:4:00"] = "9&20&10&14&14&14&12&9&17&4&4&0&0&0",
},
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-01&15:12:00"] = "29&42&17&26&22&31&25&17&25&23&22&0&0&0",
},
},
},

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Post by Balgair »

I don't think the &0&0&0 is actually an indicator of no data in those level ranges: all my timesplus entries end in &0&0&0 as well, but there's still data for 1-19. I just doublechecked: ran a census on my home realm, saw bars in most of the lower levels in the level bar chart (did not mouseover anyone to create that data), lua says:

["TimesPlus"] = {
["EU-Draenor"] = {
["Alliance"] = {
["2014-07-30&3:3:00"] = "9&8&3&8&5&3&3&4&9&5&5&0&0&0"


So I'd try doing a manual /who 1-19 on an EU realm to confirm!

Padanfain

Post by Padanfain »

Will do, brb....

Purging, clean file before census....

[18:12:04] Added "/who 1-10" to queue
[18:12:08] Result of "/who 1-10"
[18:12:08] 0 players total

[18:12:20] Census+ Sending /who 1-10
[18:12:28] Census+ Who query: 1-10, found 0
[18:12:28] Census+ Sending /who 1-90 n-Cenhor
[18:12:37] Census+ Who query: 1-90 n-Cenhor, found 0
[18:12:37] Census+ Finished Taking data. Found 78 new characters and saw 78. Took 2 Min 24 Sec.
[18:12:37] CensusPlus found the following Connected Realms
[18:12:37] EU-Bronze Dragonflight, EU-Nordrassil
[18:12:37] Be sure to upload your CensusPlus data to www.WarcraftRealms.com!

["TimesPlus"] = {
["EU-Bronze Dragonflight"] = {
["Horde"] = {
["2014-07-30&3:11:00"] = "3&3&4&4&4&4&5&1&3&4&5&0&0&0",
},
},
["EU-Nordrassil"] = {
["Horde"] = {
["2014-07-30&3:11:00"] = "1&5&4&2&5&4&2&5&4&5&1&0&0&0",
},
},
},

I haven't gone through every file since November but every fille I have checked, EU and NA, shows &0&0&0 which is very odd as just about every census prior to Nov 6 has some numbers for the last three numbers and not seeing myself in a current census.... I will try a clean install of wow with no addons except for CensusPlus and see what happens.

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Post by Balgair »

Every file/realm I have has the &0&0&0 stuff on the end but I have plenty of 1-19 characters, so it's probably unrelated IMO, would imagine the change is just some change to the addon, we had a new release sometime around early November, going on my emails from BOYD anyway; I was running a test version for him in late October it seems. I'm sure he'll be able to confirm this one way or the other!

The missing /who result is rather more important, and odd... out of interest, do you run your censues on starter accounts or full ones? There's some mighty weird stuff that happens with starter accounts, and my US account is starter (no 1-19 on /who), while my EU account that works normally is a full one. I'm assuming your EU censuses are on a starter account, if US ones are too, then that might be the common theme here.

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Yeah, my EU is a starter and no way for me to test a pay vs starter for that but yes I will test a pay vs starter on NA realms. Will create new toons on both to test, brb....

Pay NA account....

[18:51:01] Census+ Sending /who 11-20
[18:51:10] Census+ Who query: 11-20, found 5
[18:51:10] Census+ Processing 5 characters.

I did a manual who and all five of those were level 20....

[18:51:10] Census+ Sending /who 1-10
[18:51:18] Census+ Who query: 1-10, found 0
[18:51:18] Census+ Sending /who 1-90 n-Mirstina
[18:51:27] Census+ Who query: 1-90 n-Mirstina, found 0
[18:51:27] Census+ Finished Taking data. Found 379 new characters and saw 379. Took 4 Min 48 Sec.
[18:51:27] CensusPlus found the following Connected Realms
[18:51:27] The Underbog, Archimonde, Agamaggan, Jaedenar
[18:51:27] Be sure to upload your CensusPlus data to www.WarcraftRealms.com!

Starter NA account....

[19:02:29] Census+ Sending /who 11-20
[19:02:38] Census+ Who query: 11-20, found 4
[19:02:38] Census+ Processing 4 characters.
[19:02:38] Census+ Sending /who 1-10
[19:02:46] Census+ Who query: 1-10, found 0
[19:02:46] Census+ Sending /who 1-90 n-Lindrela
[19:02:55] Census+ Who query: 1-90 n-Lindrela, found 0
[19:02:55] Census+ Finished Taking data. Found 473 new characters and saw 473. Took 5 Min 57 Sec.
[19:02:55] CensusPlus found the following Connected Realms
[19:02:55] Arathor, Drenden
[19:02:55] Be sure to upload your CensusPlus data to www.WarcraftRealms.com!

Then a /who 1-20

[19:03:03] [20:Crizcatazz]: Level 20 Troll Monk - Northern Barrens
[19:03:03] [20:Filthdingo]: Level 20 Troll Shaman - Northern Barrens
[19:03:03] [20:Autocorrect]: Level 20 Undead Warrior <Unity> - Orgrimmar
[19:03:03] 3 players total

Still not seeing myself in any /who. What is a good site to upload pics for link here? All CP windows, EU starter, NA starter and NA pay, that I see show no bars for toons 1-19 even after multiple runs and during peak times at least on the NA realms.

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Just a BTW, here is what the runs looked like from July of last year.....
No zeroes for the last three, dunno what that means but looks significant to me. Theories BoYD?

["Earthen Ring"] = {
["Horde"] = {
["2013-07-15&23:30:00"] = "54&98&54&77&50&51&41&65&82&56&51&12&3&1",
},
["Alliance"] = {
["2013-07-15&23:36:00"] = "47&77&49&45&34&47&37&33&56&45&44&4&1&2",
},
},
["Magtheridon"] = {
["Horde"] = {
["2013-07-15&23:16:00"] = "67&66&76&54&49&61&54&49&56&45&46&21&5&1",
},
["Alliance"] = {
["2013-07-15&23:20:00"] = "29&35&25&19&21&14&19&18&34&22&22&15&3&1",
},
},
["Korgath"] = {
["Horde"] = {
["2013-07-15&23:11:00"] = "54&60&60&73&45&64&58&52&78&50&38&32&2&5",
},
["Alliance"] = {
["2013-07-15&23:25:00"] = "134&117&101&139&91&84&92&89&149&91&84&30&6&10",
},
},
["Turalyon"] = {
["Horde"] = {
["2013-07-15&23:47:00"] = "79&101&61&80&48&84&65&79&100&83&70&7&4&2",
},
["Alliance"] = {
["2013-07-15&23:52:00"] = "59&84&47&55&43&39&45&35&61&61&44&12&3&1",
},
},
["Zuluhed"] = {
["Horde"] = {
["2013-07-17&0:0:00"] = "39&90&34&51&44&43&65&39&63&55&41&12&5&8",
},
["Alliance"] = {
["2013-07-17&0:4:00"] = "52&73&35&51&44&25&57&26&58&43&31&9&5&12",
},
},
["Earthen Ring"] = {
["Horde"] = {
["2013-07-16&23:7:00"] = "54&112&58&84&40&60&67&65&91&78&63&2&5&3",
},
["Alliance"] = {
["2013-07-16&23:13:00"] = "58&66&56&65&35&47&56&34&79&50&41&3&2&3",
},
},

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Post by bringoutyourdead »

Re the who bottom issue...
I just noticed it while testing
On one hand I'm glad.. I didn't break code.
On the other hand.. hmmm

Oh and Padanfain..
The [TimesPlus] section you posted.. tracks the census run times.. and shows numbers by class.. and a trailing 3 Battlegrounds that I had to put back in after discovering the Tables hadn't been updated to show that we weren't tracking battlegrounds anymore. (and had not tracked them for a long time.)

From what I saw in game on the one realm I was on.. Blizzard has stopped responding to any type of who request where level is less then 20.

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Aaaahhh, ok, ty, zeroes make sense then. As for the levels 1-19, Dirty rotten stinking Mr. BlizzardPotato heads.

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Nothing on the blue tracker.
It may just be a test or mistake... crossing fingers

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The rot has spread to EU
I'm not seeing anyone 1-19
on the enGB realms so far.
Not that I expect to see many at 5am

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Done deal, submitted both for good measure ;)

Edit: Blaahhaahaha average ticket time is 8 days and 23 hrs so.... Fingers crossed.

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Post by bringoutyourdead »

The Italians were also Zeros.

But English EU-Ravencrest reported 1-19

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Post by Balgair »

Weird if it's only some realms, I got results on Draenor and Turalyon so assumed they all work! I'll try a few more...

Edit, yeah, Nemesis is broken, how odd, especially being only some realms, not all! Will try and see if there's a pattern anywhere...

This must be a very recent change btw, because I just checked the lua I sent to BOYD on the 21st when I first noticed the EU-US problem, and that has way too many <20 characters in it to be just mouseovers.

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So, I am confused. The realms I tried last night, which worked, no longer work, lots of others don't work, I'd just reached the conclusion that it must have got changed in maintenance, since today is Wednesday (EU maintenance day), if it was rolling restarts that'd explain BOYD finding some which work and some which don't, since he was testing during the usual maintenance time.

All made sense... then I found one which still works (Archimonde)! I'm just plain confused now... testing continues...

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So, what's different about Ravencrest and Archimonde?

Works:

Ravencrest A

Archimonde A H

Doesn't work:

Ahn'Qiraj H
Al'Akir H
Bronzebeard A
Burning Legion A H
Chamber of Aspects A H
Daggerspine A
Darkspear A
Doomhammer A
Draenor A H
Earthen Ring A
Frostmane A
Frostwhisper H
Kazzak H
Nagrand A
Ragnaros A
Shattered Hand H
Turalyon A
Twilight's Hammer H

Chants eternels
Confrerie du Thorium A
Elune A
Hyjal A H
Khaz Modan A H
Kirin Tor H
Medivh A
Sargeras A H
Uldaman A H
Vol'jin H
Ysondre A H

Aegwynn A
Aman'thul A H
Antonidas A
Azshara A H
Baelgun H
Blackrock H
Das Konsortium A H
Der Mithrilorden A H
Der Rat von Dalaran A H
Die Aldor A H
Die ewige Wacht H
Die Nachtwache A
Die Silberne Hand A
Durotan A
Eredar A H
Forscherliga A H
Frostmourne A H
Frostwolf H
Kult der Verdammten H
Onyxia H

Nemesis A H
Pozzo dell'Eternita A H

C'thun A H
Dun Modr A H
Shen'dralar H

Ran out of steam now but the pattern is clear enough, lots don't work, and for no obvious reason two do - can't really see any connection between those two in particular!

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I don't think it was a planned change on Blizzards part.
I can't think of any valid reason why they would remove the ability of low level players from finding each other, which is the whole reason for having the /who functionality.

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